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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: What risk of prohibition?
« on: July 05, 2013, 11:03:04 AM »
These scaremongering articles are bought and paid for.

CNN says: "Dermarolling might just kill us":

http://travel.cnn.com/hong-kong/life/microneedle-facial-treatment-335525

Every single claim in that FUD piece is a lie. They call it "massage". They say you can get AIDS from it (which would not even be possible if you would use long needles on a HIV positive person and then roll half an hour later on your skin because the HIV virus is notoriously fragile and does not even survive a few minutes exposed to the air.)

They claim that no disinfectant can sterilize it. Chloramine-T can, because it has dual antibiotic action (it works like an antibiotic and not merely like a disinfectant).

They talk about "soaking in hot water" and "rinsing with disinfectant", which are silly things to do. Instead, you soak in disinfectant. Soaking is not rinsing!

They display a picture of the scariest-looking roller they could find, the type we discourage from using due to the fact it has no needles but knives.

Funny how we sold tens of thousands of dermaneedling devices over the past 7 years and we have yet to hear of a single customer of ours that got an infection. 10000 people rolling themselves with 1.5 mm or longer and exactly zero with an infection. That's because it nearly is impossible to get an infection from rolling your skin. That's just not how the immune system in the skin works.

In fact, it would be very, very hard to give yourself a skin infection with a dermaroller. I would be very surprised if you would get an infection from rolling your own feces into your skin for example. I know it sounds unbelievable, but I am willing to bet a lot of money that you will not manage to get a skin infection like that. Reasons: The great majority of fecal bacteria are either dead or quite harmless in small quantities in the skin. And your immune system is intimately familiar with those bacteria (microinjuries in your GI tract cause antibodies to be produced against the gut flora) so you just won't be able to cause a skin infection by rolling your own shit deep into your skin. It's time to put a stop to all the paranoia about how risky dermaneedling is. It is not.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Newbie questions on rolling
« on: July 04, 2013, 05:24:09 PM »
Buy a regular 1.5 mm dermaroller and a 1.5 mm dermastamp and our 0.1% Tretinoin cream. Follow more or less the routine I describe here:
 
http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Stretch-Marks-individual-needling
 
We now also sell an electrically powered "DermaJet" (it basically is an electric dermastamp with adjustable needle length) but unless you have an extensive amount of stretch marks, it is not necessary. A manual dermastamp will do the same job, only it is more laborious because you have to power it yourself with your hand.
 
We are currently sold out of US-plug DermaJets but we will have them next week.
 
Besides the creams and ointments you recommend, can we use our own lotions

 
Yes, you can.
 
 
Do you think that for a while after rolling, we should abandon any anti-inflammatories?
 
 
Not applying strong anti-inflammatories only is the rule for a few hours after dermaneedling. Some hours later or the day after, it is OK.
 
Applying very mild anti-inflammatories is OK even right after dermaneedling.
 
 
maybe suspected rosacea since my cheeks always seem red.
 
 
Dermarolling or dermaneedling is not recommended with Rosacea. Rosacea's origin is not fully understood but inflammation of the skin plays at least a partial role in it and dermarolling triggers short-lasting inflammation that could theoretically make it worse.
 
Maybe you have broken blood vessels and dermarolling will not help either. From our experience, dermarolling neither helped nor worsened broken capillaries. You should try a vascular laser.
 
You should try to find out the underlying cause of your skin's redness. Until you do, I do not recommend dermarolling.
 
 
 

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Cleaning the OWNDOC Dermaroller
« on: July 04, 2013, 05:19:46 PM »
You can buy grain alcohol because it is ethanol. You should dilute it to 70%.

90% ethanol is more or less regulated in some states or very expensive but 70% ethanol (or approx. 40% ethanol and approx. 30% isopropyl alcohol) is for sale. It is very difficult to be sure it has no acetone because it is somehow very difficult to find out the full ingredients of rubbing alcohol and similar products. I removed the link to the product containing acetone (good that you noticed). Perhaps the best for you is to use our Chloramine-T. We actually started to sell it because our customers had difficulties finding ethanol. An added bonus is that Chloramine-T really sterilizes, whereas alcohol merely disinfects.
 
The only reason why a very high percentage of (not denatured) ethanol is regulated is to prevent it to be used for drinking and thus avoiding the very high taxation of alcohol that is normally levied for alcohol indented for consumption.
 
In other words, they have to still allow for example laboratories or hospitals to purchase a high percentage ethanol cheaply (without high added taxes) but they have to prevent that it is sold for consumption because alcohol for consumption is subjected to huge taxation.
 
This is the reason why it is so difficult to get ethanol that is not denatured by isopropyl, acetone etc.
 
Isopropyl alcohol is also a solvent but we found out that in percentages up to or around 50% there was no problem to use it for soaking the dermarolling instruments. Several of our customers soaked their dermarollers in 80% isopropyl alcohol and the roller glue disintegrated.

To be honest, it did not cross my mind they would add acetone to rubbing alcohol because rubbing alcohol is intended for skin disinfection and there is no reason to add acetone.
 
I guess they added a little acetone to denature it (to make it impossible to drink).
 
Ethanol is usually denatured with isopropyl alcohol.
 
Rubbing alcohol usually contains ethanol or isopropyl alcohol or their mixture.

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Concerning your 11's, stick to 1 mm.
 
Concerning the area above the lip, this is the most sensitive/painful area to needle. Start with a 0.5 mm but you can go to 1 mm if you can handle it or use a numbing cream. Dermaneedling is very effective for the so called 11's wrinkles and also for the above the lips wrinkles.
 
Your scars are from electrolysis and I am not sure dermaneedling can effectively fix it because it may have damaged the fat layer that is just below the skin. On the other hand, I think it is much better to have little scars than having a "moustache" and electrolyisis is way more effective than laser epilation. Electrolyisis is really permanent unless you have a hormonal disorder that constantly triggers the growth of new hairs, such as polycystic ovary syndrome or other. Even in cases of hormonal disorders, electrolysis helps, it will just take longer.
 

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: 1.5 stamp --how much to stamp?
« on: July 04, 2013, 05:15:30 PM »
Everything you described is normal. You should press all the way down with a 1.5 mm dermastamp. First you should target the scars precisely with a dermastamp and then roll the entire area. If you first roll, the entire area will become red and you will most likely not be able to see and target the scars with a dermastamp.
 

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The 1 mm stamp - every 10 to 14 days. In between you can roll up to three times a week with your 0.5 mm roller.

You can use a 1 mm dermaroller for all the areas that you : Neck, décolletage and arms.

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I am posting this part on behalf of my husband John and I will answer your questions later.

He says that the DermaJet is unlike all the other devices out there, which he calls "fake". The DermaJet really does what it is supposed to do, so yes you will draw blood with a needle length you'd normally not draw blood with when needling manually, since it's hard to push the needles to their full depth, by hand. This is the reason the DermaJet has always been sold for USD 950,-. We have only a limited number of them for sale and we likely will never be able to secure more at the current low price - or at all.

The DermaJet is less painful than manual needling due to the short "duty cycle". The machine is my dream come true and John found it for me :-)

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: What risk of prohibition?
« on: July 03, 2013, 04:25:13 AM »
Norway is a small country that does exactly what the US tells them to. Norway was the first country in the world where Codex Alimentarius was implemented and strictly enforced, as a test case to see how the people would react.

About 16, 17 years ago they had demonstrations in the streets because it became illegal to import or sell vit. C in any dose above the RDA. The government then made an exception for vit. C only, allowing the sale of 500 mg or even 1 g tablets. However, the import of vit. C in bulk (the chemical Ascorbic acid in kilogram amounts) remained a criminal offense (3 months in prison).

Norway is the model for the rest of the world. Anything that has any kind of positive effect on human health is by definition already banned (sans prescription) under Codex Alimentarius, the only thing now is to start enforcing that rule worldwide.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Cleaning the OWNDOC Dermaroller
« on: July 03, 2013, 04:20:00 AM »
Yes.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Cleaning the OWNDOC Dermaroller
« on: July 02, 2013, 04:51:36 PM »
Our dermarolling instructions contain a link to a furum posting on where to buy alcolhol solutions:
http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/can39t-find-proper-disinfection-alcohol/

Acetone indeed could cause the needles to fall out, since it could dissolve the glue that holds them in place.

You should only clean the skin with something that leaves no rests when the solvent evaporates, and alcohol is just about the only substance that conforms to that rule..  Otherwise you'll be rolling a complex cocktail of about a thousand organic chemicals into your skin. Some of them may be powerful anti-inflammatories for example.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Cleaning the OWNDOC Dermaroller
« on: July 01, 2013, 02:23:07 PM »
Neither vinegar nor hydrogen peroxide are suitable for the disinfection of dermarolling instruments. Alcohol is a perfectly natural substance, created by yeasts so, apart from the distillation (by fire, which is also natural..), alcohol would be as holistic as you can get.

Then again, every molecule is 100% natural, since it's made of our good lord's atoms, all behaving according to the laws of nature..

Also, Hydrogen peroxide is rocket fuel and a lot more toxic and scary than Ethanol..

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Not sure where to start??
« on: July 01, 2013, 02:20:52 PM »
It depends how sensitive you are to pain. Many of our customers stamp or roll without a numbing cream. Stamping is less painful than rolling.
 
I meant within a couple of days. As soon as the first cheek looks healed, stamp the other. Write down what date you stamped which cheek so that you know when to stamp next. Each cheek should be done approximately every three weeks.
 
You can brush on the day that you needle but do not brush until the needled skin looks healed. Never brush or exfoliate if you have scabs. Scabs must fall off naturally when they are "ready". The forcible removal of scabs can leave scars.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Best Skin Care Routine
« on: July 01, 2013, 12:06:09 PM »
Yes, it is OK.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Re: Ret-A and Chloramine T
« on: June 30, 2013, 06:24:26 PM »
We have done several long term tests with our new rollers and there was fortunately no problem.
 
The ingredient is the same: Chloramine-T.

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You should combine your dermaroller with a more targeted instrument such as a 1.5 mm dermastamp or the single needle. If you are prone to pigmentations, buy the single needle and precisely target just the stretch marks.
 
There is no other way to find out how your skin reacts to dermarolling than trying it on a small area of skin.
 
Also buy our 0.1% Tretinoin cream. Follow more or less the routine I describe here:
 
http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/stretch-marks-from-pregnancy/
 
Pricking does not harm the regular skin.
 
Hyperpigmentation can occur if you are really very prone to hyperpigmentations.
 
I will paste here my reply from another forum thread concerning pigmentations:
 
Sometimes, it is residual inflammation. Try this: buy a non steroidal anti-inflammatory such as Nurofen rapid capsules (it contains liquid ibuprofen). For sale in pharmacies (OTC). Prick the capsule and apply some of it at least twice a day on the pigmentation. It may sting.
 
And sometimes it is overproduced melanin pigment. Melanin is skin pigment that is normally present in the skin but unfortunately the skin often reacts to skin injuries by overproducing the pigment. Even very small skin disturbances, like a bug bite, can in some individuals result in the overproduction of melanin in that spot. What helps then is Tyrosinase inhibitors such as hydroquinone. They inhibit the enzyme that converts tyrosine to melanin. They do not remove existing melanin, they only prevent formation of excessive melanin in the future so you have to use them long term.
 
It can also be a combination of residual inflammation and melanin overproduction.
 
What sometimes helps (in both cases) are products that speed up the turnover of the skin - microneedling, acid peels, Tretinoin cream etc.