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Dermarolling / Microneedling / dermaroller on bruises e red scar
« on: July 29, 2011, 01:59:33 PM »
No, a dermaroller cannot get rid of bruises. Bruises will disappear by themselves. Yes, you can use a dermaroller on your red scar.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / hair transplant scar
« on: July 29, 2011, 01:59:10 PM »
Dermarolling and needling softens hypertrophic scars but you should first roll just a small part of your scar to test how it heals. The skin on the scalp is thick and the healing is a little unpredictable.  Single needling, a dermastamp or using a one-liner roller that we sell specifically for scars would be easier for the hair transplant scar but you can manage with a regular dermaroller too. To avoid your hair getting entangled, roll from the roots to the hair tips.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / How Does Dermastamping Work?
« on: July 27, 2011, 04:53:14 PM »
I will paste here my forum posting about the principle behind dermarolling.

  It is the same for dermastamping:

  There aren't many ways to rejuvenate or remodel skin. One of the best methods is to cause mild skin damage. Our body will renew/remodel the skin by fixing that damage. That is one of the principles of dermarolling.

   

  That is also the principle behind most laser rejuvenation treatments. Laser either evaporates the entire outermost top layer of the skin or it evaporates only fractions of the skin (Fraxel laser).

   

  Have a look how it works, it's interesting:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHvRZ-LPhW8&feature=related

     

  A dermaroller makes tiny holes mechanically, whilst a fractional laser makes tiny holes thermically. But in principle it is the same. The collagen production will continue many months after treatment.

     

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Dermarolling /dermastamping also crushes the scar tissue if used intensively on the scar. Scars often have hardened fibrotic collagen tissue and that is crushed and softened by dermarolling/dermastamping. And yes, this often restores the blood flow into the scar (angiogensis/revascularisation).  If you continue the treatment, the scar will start to fill in at least partially by triggering new collagen.

   It is possible that the fibrotic wall of the scar collapsed and the scar has that kind of relief from the side that you described. However, collapsing the hardened wall is the first step in improving the scar.

   If you just have individual, isolated scars, the single needle is better.  A dermastamp is for larger areas with many scars.

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You can continue using it, no problem.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Melasma cure and dermarolling
« on: July 26, 2011, 02:07:44 PM »
The main lightening ingredient of Metaderm is Alpha Arbutin.

   

  Arbutin is a naturally occurring Beta-D-glucopyranoside of hydroquinone.

   

  Currently there are not enough studies to be sure one way or the other.

   

  The main problem is that people overuse hydroquinone. They use it for too long.

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Good to hear everything went OK. Yes, drier skin is totally normal after dermarolling. The skin is renewing. You have to moisturize a lot.

   Maintain about three-week gaps between dermarolling with a 1.5 mm.

   The half-life of hyaluronidase is about 3 days. It means that every 3 days, the levels are halved. It will be totally gone in about 30 days. (ten half-times).

    I am not sure I understand your last question. You mean whether dermarolling would somehow enhance the effect of that enzyme or spread it from its original limited location?

   

To be honest this is really a difficult question and it would be wise to wait two weeks before you roll again because I am not sure about this one. If you want to be sure, just wait.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Vitamin C and Disinfection Questions
« on: July 25, 2011, 09:58:23 AM »
Yes, you can apply vit. C right after dermarolling with a 0.5 mm dermaroller. If it stings too much, just dilute it with more water.

  Dermarolling greatly enhances the absorption of any creams or serums applied right afterwards, so even if you lower the concentration, very much will be absorbed.

   No, you do not have to disinfect the vit. C bottle. Vit. C by itself is a preservative and the bottle, during its creation, has been subjected to a very high temperature.

It's not sterile but nothing really is, neither does it need to be. Actual sterility is only required when there is no functioning immune system.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Copper Peptide mask
« on: July 25, 2011, 09:56:49 AM »
I think if you continue needling, the scar will fill in a little more.  

  When the wound opened up, did you go to see your surgeon? It should have been fixed.

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I think that Finley combines it with another method I was writing about: Saline injections.

http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Saline-injections-for-acne-scars

   
Finley, I am surprised you had problems with getting the sterile saline solution (also called a physiological solution) because I believe they sell it OTC in any pharmacy to clean wounds. I have it in the first aid kit in my car. It is better to buy many very small bottles and always open a new one with each new session.

Medline Sterile Saline Solution, .9%, 5ML, Box: 100

http://www.amazon.com/Medline-Sterile-Saline-Solution-9/dp/B000K6WHEG/ref=pd_sim_hpc_2


> I'm clueless as to how often I do it and how long I'm meant to keep suction going.


"The protocol for suctioning was: start of suction on third day after subcision for flat and depressing subcised scars and its continuation at least every other day for 2weeks."

"On the first days, we used less negative pressure; but in the subsequent sessions, depending on the condition of scars, we could increase negative pressure (even to maximum: −70 mmHg), length of time (not more than 4 s in each pass) and the number of suctioning passes (even 8–12 passes) per session."




-70mm Hg is 0.1 bar underpressure, not very much. Our pumps create a much stronger underpressure and this is required because our customers will not sever the fibrotic strands by doing a subsicion and hence need a much stronger underpressure.

Preventing the fibrotic fibers from re-attaching doesn’t need such a high underpressure. As they explained, they also wanted to cause a hematoma to enhance the effect.

On the other hand, bruising is associated with diminished scars (one of our customers testified to that here: Improvement in acne scars with suction method).

The suctioning method is so new and this (cheap!) method is so rarely used by doctors that the absolutely optimal approach is not known yet and you have to basically improvise and try different methods.

 


> Can dermarolling also cause the fibers to release scarred tissue, or is needling from different angles the only option?


You have to really aggressively needle or stamp the scar to release the fibrotic tissue.


> While needling, would it be beneficial to pinch the skin for easier penetration with the needle? Like they do with the subcision.


Probably yes but you may end up with a hematoma.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Copper Peptide mask
« on: July 23, 2011, 10:29:31 AM »
I think you sent me an email about two weeks ago saying that needling did not help much your scar left after a mole removal.. I have answered you but I have never received your reply. I will paste my email to you:

     

Dear [deleted],

Sorry to hear about your experience.

   

  Is or was your scar raised or indented? Would it be possible for you to send me a photo?

   I have only heard of needling making the scar larger in connection with needling deep icepick acne scars. When you needle the fibrotic walls of icepick scars, the wall will break down and make the scar larger but shallower and softer. Then you have to continue to fill up the scar more.

   

  There is no other way how to treat icepick acne scars than breaking them down.

     

  A mole removal scar however is not comparable to an icepick acne scar in any way and while needling might not help, it should certainly not make the mole scar worse. A scar can never completely disappear - it can only soften and become shallower.

   

  Here is a photo of a vaccination scar that softened after needling:

   

http://www.owndoc.com/stretchmarks/dermarolling-before-and-after-photos-from-our-customers/  

A vaccination scar is much easier to improve than a mole scar because to remove a mole, the skin must have been cut all the way through.    

  If you could send me a photo, it would really help.

Best regards,

Sarah

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Swollen skin after dermarolling..why?
« on: July 23, 2011, 09:49:15 AM »
It takes a while for the skin to get used to dermarolling. Many people get reactions when they roll for the first time or the first couple of rollings.

   

  Infadolan contains a non-irritating form of vit. A that is slowly converted in the skin into Retinoic Acid.  Dermarolling greatly enhances its absorption and the skin may react like this at the beginning. Your skin will slowly get used to vit. A.

   

  Having swollen, red skin after dermarolling is normal. It will subside very quickly. The longer the needles the more red and swollen it becomes but it is very individual and people react differently.

   

  @Miro:

   

  You can use a numbing cream on the areas that hurt the most but the first rolling is always the worst. I always have to use a numbing cream on the area above the lip. The rest is OK without.

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Coconut Butter Penetrating Hair Shaft
« on: July 23, 2011, 09:18:09 AM »
Coconut butter and coconut oil are the same thing. At room temperature, it is in solid form (the consistency of butter but with a white color). When you heat it, it becomes oil. You can also use it for frying, it has no cholesterol but be careful not to overheat it. Just like with butter. Before you apply it to the ends of your hair, warm up a little piece in the palms of your hands to turn it into oil - it will spread much easier. You can also melt it in a microwave but use the lowest temperature for a few seconds. Do not melt the entire contents, just take a piece with a spoon, put it in a cup and briefly microwave it until it melts. You can use it on your skin too if you  like the smell of coconut.

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The skin consists of the epidermis (which has capillary bloodvessels)
and the dermis (that does have capillaries). As soon as you needle at
the depth of the dermis (approximately > 0.3mm - which is really
necessary because the stretch marks are in the dermis) you will get some
pinpoint bleeding. That is inevitable and it is not bad at all.

The density of capillaries in the dermis varies for each person and
while some get almost no pinpoint bleeding with 2 mm, others get a lot
with a 0.5 mm. Both the customers who get a lot and those who get almost
no pinpoint bleeding get very good results so we found no correlation
about bleeding and results.

In general, the deeper you go, the more you bleed and going deeper can
bring more improvement in certain skin conditions. So it is not the
amount of blood but the depth that makes a difference in some cases.



I am also addressing it here:

 http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/the-more-blood-the-better-when-dermarolling/ 

 

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Dermarolling / Microneedling / Laser Resurfacing Hypopigmentation
« on: July 22, 2011, 05:35:46 PM »
I think that your selected combination of a 1.5 mm and a 0.5 mm dermaroller and the single needles is excellent.

   

  Melanocytes (pigment producing cells) are at the bottom of the epidermis (it is around 0.1- 0.3 mm deep, deepening on the skin area - It differs). They produce the melanin pigment. If some patches of skin do not contain enough melanocytes or the melanocytes are malfunctioning by under-producing melanin, you end up with patches of hypopigmentation.   An extreme case of melanin shortage disorder are albinos, who almost completely lack melanin.

  Melanin is also in our hair. When melanocytes in certain skin patches produce too much melanin, you end up with hyperpigmentation.

   

  Lasers work by heating up the skin and this can unfortunately sometimes result in hypo- or hyper pigmentation.

   

  Dermarolling/needling often triggers or "wakes up" melanocytes and the hypopigmentation improves. You should needle the white patches and also needle a little over the edges of the while patch to facilitate the migration of melanocytes from the surrounding normal skin into the white patch.

   

  Using a 0.5 mm dermaroller is also a very good idea because it penetrates approximately to the depth where the mealnocytes are. A 0.5 mm dermaroller penetrates about 0.3 mm into the skin.

   

  Here is a photo of a customer of ours, who got hypo pigmentation after IPL (Intense Pulse Light) treatment and was struggling with hypopigmentation for one year. Then she bought our single needles and her hypopigmentation improved dramatically after just 5 months:

   

  http://www.owndoc.com/stretchmarks/dermarolling-before-and-after-photos-from-our-customers/

   

  You may also be interested in this:

   

  http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/Melanocytes-transfer-for-white-scars-and-hypopigmentation
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Yes you can use Infadolan for a week after dermarolling and it is a very good regenerative ointment that prevents the skin from drying out when healing is in process. Use just a little. If it makes you break out, use it only right after dermarolling.

   

    You can go jogging but it would be better to wait at least one more day with a sauna if you roll with long needles. You can use a sauna before dermarolling to soften the skin for easier penetration of the needles. Don't forget to disinfect the skin.